Politics around the world

[alanrotoi]

It's nice to have an Arg pope but lets see how is his politic skills. I don't know what to think.

[Chulk]

It's nice to have an Arg pope but lets see how is his politic skills. I don't know what to think.

Why is it nice? Why does it matter?
It makes no difference, as they are suppose to represent all Catholics alike, whichever the country they were born in

[BonzaiJoe]

I think they're only supposed to represent catholics.

[Chulk]

I think they're only supposed to represent catholics.

Yes, sorry. I meant Catholics and not Christians. Edited

[BonzaiJoe]

Atheist be happy! This is the end of the Catholic Church!!

Really? Tell me more.

By the way, as an atheist, I'll be happy when every organized faith-based religion is gone.

[alanrotoi]

That's not atheism then, it's anti-religion. You have to respect the people's belief.

To be an "anti-something" doesn't define you completely. For example here in Argentina, the gorvenment doesn't have a good and healthy opposition. There are a lot of people who is anti-government but there isn't here a party that joins all in a unique voice. No matter why, there are less than the half people who has no representation in the govenrment or any opposition party, who are still a lot. Those opposition partys are anti-government, but they don't have any proposal to get better or any stallin usual campaign lie. So people still doesn't vote them, because they are even worse.

[Duplode]

That's not atheism then, it's anti-religion. You have to respect the people's belief.

The main issue here is that respecting other people's beliefs does not imply respecting their political moves.

To be an "anti-something" doesn't define you completely. For example here in Argentina, the gorvenment doesn't have a good and healthy opposition. There are a lot of people who is anti-government but there isn't here a party that joins all in a unique voice. No matter why, there are less than the half people who has no representation in the govenrment or any opposition party, who are still a lot. Those opposition partys are anti-government, but they don't have any proposal to get better or any stallin usual campaign lie. So people still doesn't vote them, because they are even worse.

It is the same thing this side of the border... but I am not sure if the analogy works. While opposition to a government can only stand if it comes with a positive alternative, that doesn't hold when it comes to religion.

[alanrotoi]

Yep and you don't know how hard is to me to explain myself in English out of the basic phrases I know. I am much better in Spanish speech.

[BonzaiJoe]

I believe religion is generally not a good thing for society or the world in general.
For a number of individual human beings/families/communities, it is necessary. For most, I don't think so. I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to say this. People are free to believe what they want to believe. I don't have anything against people because they believe in God. But I am an anti-theist in the sense that I hope religion will cease to exist (I know this is not going to happen in the next 500 years at least...).
My alternative is critical thinking.

[CTG]

The new polls say the popularity of Fidesz increased a lot lately. I just can't understand the reason...

Ipsos: 45% Fidesz, 27% MSZP, 14% Jobbik, 9% Együtt 2014, 3% LMP, 2% DK (Gyurcsány's party); they say both Fidesz and MSZP increased their popularity
Századvég: 42% Fidesz, 29% MSZP, 17% Jobbik, 6% Együtt 2014, 4% LMP, 1% DK
Tárki: 48% Fidesz, 22% MSZP, 16% Jobbik, 9% Együtt 2014, 3% LMP, 1% DK; it seems they are the orange pollsters, saying that MSZP lost several voters lately, while Fidesz increased their advantage

The strange thing is that I know only a few Orbán supporters, while most of my friends, workmates and relatives are left-wing voters.

[BonzaiJoe]

Two possible explanations: 1. fake surveys, 2. left-wing voters are in the cities and right-wing voters are in the country

[Usrin]

These percentages are measured only between those who are sure that they would vote at the elections. In Hungary, it is less than 50% of the adult population. The majority is disappointed by politicians in general (due to arrogance, corruption, etc., which was also seen during the previous governments). So even if they've left-wing views, they are not sure if they would go to the elections and vote for any of the left-wing parties.

[BonzaiJoe]

My song for today (or rather yesterday):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4BCUWopQQ4

[Chulk]

Mine would be this one, thanks to an unprecedented rain and very poor flooding control and water works from our beloved government...

[alanrotoi]

Yeah, Buenos Aires had a flooding too but it wasn't catastrophic like yours.