ZakStunts pipsqueaks Tier List

[alanrotoi]

https://tiermaker.com/user/18789815

You can make your own tier list of Stunts pipsqueaks in Zakstunts. There are some historical pipsqueaks but mostly from the last 4 years who raced more than few times.

Use your own parameters to sort them: current performance, at their prime, potential, overrated, history, determination, teamwork, results, stability, all mixed. After completing please share a screenshot or save a picture and share it here! If you want to add some comments, please be my guest.

[dreadnaut]

Possibly wrong link? 🤔

[alanrotoi]

THE FORUM CHANGES THE WORD "R A C E R" TO "pipsqueak" in the link...

This link works: https://tiermaker.com/user/18789815

[Mortimer Macmire]

Thanks @alanrotoi, changing pipsqueaks to R A C E R S seems to work!

[Matei]

Or as I wrote:

https://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=4494.msg98464#msg98464

https://cobbpg.github.io/articles/stunt-car-r@cer-plus4-port.html

As I mentioned this forum has some bugs (unlike Stunts), so copy link address and replace "@" with "a".

https://forum.stunts.hu/index.php?topic=4494.msg98539#msg98539

Anyone interested in Stunt Car R@cer? The car has suspension, it bounces after landing and has "boost" for accelerating before jumps.

[CTG]

Sorry for leaving out the relatively new names. Rankings are (mostly) based on good old times. Probably my memory is fading, too.

[alanrotoi]

It's ok, sometimes we just forget the performance pipsqueaks in 25 years of history. My analysis for some pipsqueaks are only because the result records and not because I saw them race (i.e. FinRok, Seeker1982). Others are just in the limit of the tier I placed (Zapper, Friker).

This is my tier list. Few places could change after a deeper analysis.

[CTG]

It's ok, sometimes we just forget the performance pipsqueaks in 25 years of history. My analysis for some pipsqueaks are only because the result records and not because I saw them race (i.e. FinRok, Seeker1982). Others are just in the limit of the tier I placed (Zapper, Friker).

This is my tier list. Few places could change after a deeper analysis.

Naaaaaah...

Akoss Poo in Tier B? No way. Maybe I have more victories, but I'm pretty sure he's better than me, especially in noRH category. My racing strategy is more opportunistic, I adapt to the public time results and beat reference points - without those hints, I am simply slow. Poo can produce quality RPLs even without knowing the result of X or Y.

[MiDiaN]

This is so cool!
It would be great to have one of the veterans create a video using this tier maker while explaining the reasoning behind their placement.

[alanrotoi]

I would do it with @Cas and @Chulk to cover a couple of eras and to help with English  .

[Argammon]

I hope that my ranking does not offend anybody, it just reflects my personal opinion. It is also worth pointing out that I did not rank the pipsqueaks within each tier. I focused on Zakstunts RH results. If I had taken NORH into account, Bonzai Joe and Seeker1982 would be in the top tier and Renato would drop a tier.

My ranking is mostly based on Duplode's Historical Folyami ranking (https://scr.stunts.hu/folyami.html) with a few adaptions: You cannot view this attachment.

Notably:

• MiDiaN: According to Folyami, he should be in tier 2. However, I do not feel that a single win is enough to justify that position. If he wins next year's championship, he moves up one tier on my ranking. (PS: I find it a bit strange that MiDiaN is on the same tier as I on Alanrotoi's ranking when our current direct-clash score is 9-1.)
• Alain and Bonzai Joe: Should be on tier 3 according to Folyami. I moved them up one tier because they are champions and because the Folyami ratings are likely not precise for the early years.

Quick edit: I just noticed that I dropped Bismarck into tier D by accident. He does not have enough Zakstunts races to be ranked properly. The same is true for Fdziera.

[alanrotoi]

It's ok, sometimes we just forget the performance pipsqueaks in 25 years of history. My analysis for some pipsqueaks are only because the result records and not because I saw them race (i.e. FinRok, Seeker1982). Others are just in the limit of the tier I placed (Zapper, Friker).

This is my tier list. Few places could change after a deeper analysis.

I should also explain a bit my impressions. Maybe I'll make alive stream about it if I have the time butblet's write some thoughts.

Every tier has different levels inside, so a tier is mor like a wide row of similarities but not always means same performances.

- the "S" big 4: they are Ayrton and then the rest. Maybe Renato Biker is a bit over Gutix and Duplode but it's hard to analyze only watching their replays, you had to live the moment and I think I wasn't contemporary to Renato's prime for example so I can't be 100% sure about it. What I don't have doubt is that they are over the rest of us.

- Tier A: it mixes some different eras. From a personal point of view I feel my prime was in 2002-2005 (zct16-zct47) period but I haven't seasonal results at zakstunts mainly because I haven't been constant in yearly racing periods. I could maintain a high level in short periods of time, few months then I got burned. Also the opponents and the many other competitions and stunts projectsbwere time demanding. I feel my performance of that era was higher than my 2021-2022 when I won two championships in a row. I had a stronger opponent (Duplode) but I think he didn't fight at full strenght often. Back in 2002 and 2003 I found my "nemesis" in Bonzai Joe who I think he was also at his prime and we had several months in intense fights on tracks.

Also Alain had a great performance back then, in fact he was quiet low in the scoreboards at his beginning but suddenly he was at top almost in every race. Argammon was another pipsqueak with small top shockwaves. You could find a great performance in theor laps but without a season success. All of these pre 2008. Also CTG was a different pipsqueak. Automatic transm. pipsqueak and in the mid of the scoreboard, he found from 2007 that he can reach a top level.

[Argammon]

I should also explain a bit my impressions. Maybe I'll make alive stream about it if I have the time butblet's write some thoughts. (...)

Every tier has different levels inside, so a tier is mor like a wide row of similarities but not always means same performances.

- the "S" big 4: they are Ayrton and then the rest. Maybe Renato Biker is a bit over Gutix and Duplode but it's hard to analyze only watching their replays, you had to live the moment and I think I wasn't contemporary to Renato's prime for example so I can't be 100% sure about it. What I don't have doubt is that they are over the rest of us. (...)

And here I disagree, but I respect your opinion. I do not feel comfortable blowing my own trumpet, but let me explain why I disagree:

In the old days, I am clearly not on the top tier. (So I agree with CTG's ranking in that sense). However, also considering 2023-2025 I think that I am. I do not base my assessment "only" on the Folyami rankings which are at least somewhat objective, but also on replays.

Before 2023, most of my replays were rather mundane. I did not produce any lap on the level of the following examples (not exhaustive):

https://zak.stunts.hu/tracks/ZCT260 (An impossible trick)
https://zak.stunts.hu/tracks/ZCT264
https://zak.stunts.hu/tracks/ZCT280 (First flight of that type in competition)
https://zak.stunts.hu/tracks/ZCT284 (Flight is repeated showing it is not a fluke but a tool)
https://zak.stunts.hu/tracks/ZCT289

Yes, all of these examples are power-gear laps. But power gear is an important part of Zakstunts. 

[MiDiaN]

My ranking is mostly based on Duplode's Historical Folyami ranking (https://scr.stunts.hu/folyami.html)

Still, you've placed me in mid-B rank after KyLiE? My win rate against KyLiE is 9-1, while against Duplode it's 5-5 so far this season. It's gotta be something other than performance, right? There's no way this makes sense.

EDIT: Sorry I missed that you didn't rank within each tier. Still, able to defeat S-rank players after a over 20-year break and only B rank feels strange.

[Argammon]

I was afraid that a thread like this would not end well.

@MiDiaN: Regarding your comment "Still, you've placed me in mid-B rank after KyLiE?", I did write that I did not rank the pipsqueaks within each tier.* Indeed, I started alphabetically with the first few before abandoning the idea because it took too much time.

Other than that, you are raising some valid points, but the issue is subtle. I mentioned our 9-1 score because it covers your entire Zakstunts career. Hence, our direct comparison is a very valid benchmark.

The question is how far we can stretch that kind of argument if one of the pipsqueaks is either "past prime" or not racing hard. One could argue that such a pipsqueak was much better in the past. Duplode is a good example in this context.

The problem with this line of argumentation is that it can be used as a killer argument because it can always be claimed that you only won because the competitors did not try hard. There is no way to refute that point. Hence, our "rankings" are highly subjective.

Your 9-1 score against Kylie is a valid argument of course. But does that mean that with a single race win you should be in the same tier as pipsqueaks who won one or more championships? Perhaps, or perhaps not. It seems that there are not enough tires to catch all the subtleties.

*If you must know, I think that you are the strongest pipsqueak in tier 3.    I would rank the tier 1 pipsqueaks as follows (please don't shoot me!): Ayrton, Argammon, Duplode, Gutix, Renato.